TAZ: Mr. Shlusselburg, SPD is surprised last week with a new concept for the cover cover. What is your idea?
Sebastian Shlusselburg: We did not submit a concept for lease 2.0, but our draft draft for the upcoming law on the framework of socialization. Then the public was especially interested in the fact that one of the possibilities of applying Article 15 of socialization 15 in the main law is the requirements for price, investment or profit. For example, this can be a new rent.
TAZ: What else is it?
Keyburg: Article 15 – sleeping giant. The central term in the article is the “Public Economy”. The transfer of ownership of the company to public ownership is part of it. But under the deprivation of property in the staff there is a whole box for the device. There are much more possible than what has been discussed so far. In a sense, we want to show that this article 15 contains not only an expensive wooden hammer, but also foil or scalpel, with which we can help more people.
In an interview:
Sebastian Shlusselburg,
42, He is a lawyer and was a member of the House of Representatives elected since 2016. In October 2024, he left the remaining party, where he was recently a representative of the household, finance and law. He was a member of the SPD parliamentary group since January 2025.
TAZ: You are talking about one more. For many, the rejection of expropriation will be more likely to sound as “less”. Berlin: Inside, in a referendum, they decided that they want the expropriation of large real estate companies. Why does SPD resist?
Keyburg: SPD does not resist, on the contrary. SPD was the same in the Erfurt program (Since 1891; note of the editor) For the first time, socialization of the means of production in the party program. It was a Social Democrat: inside, who made sure that the German basic law received article 15 in 1949.
TAZ: It was a long time ago.
Keyburg: And now it will probably be the Berlin SPD, which for the first time in history in history presents a stock law in order to realize Article 15. Historical income of the German initiative Wohnen & Co, expropriating this, is to formulate an order for the application of Article 15 in the housing sector through a successful referendum. But perhaps it is worth thinking about what tools we can help more people faster and cheaper.
TAZ: Why do you think it is better to limit yourself to price restrictions in the rental zone?
Keyburg: In Berlin, in Berlin, there is a situation that, from the international financing of capitalism, we no longer know exactly who belongs to which apartments. We know this only in some large corporations, for example, with Vonovia. If we use article 15 for expropriation, we must know and formulate it exactly so that the law possesses a constitutional court. If it were so easy, the initiative would have presented its law for a long time. As they say, to condemn apartments into “other forms of public economy”, as stated mainly by law, can not only be more legal, but easier. And in a positive sense, all tenants caught: inside the market, because we can make all the private landlords: they can make mandatory requirements inside.
Socialization article
Germany is not a capitalist state – at least not in accordance with the Basic Law. Article 15 allows you to clearly transfer to “land, natural treasures and means of production” against compensation “in common property or other forms of public economy”.
Referendum
The article has never been used. On September 26, 2021, however, 57.6 percent of the Berliners decided: inside the referendum: large housing groups of the city should be socialized. So far it has not been implemented. (Tk)
TAZ: After the SPD referendum, the expert called: the internal commission. Then Franzisk Giffy chose to do without the title of mayor than a coalition with his left and herbs. Now there is a framework law that should enter into force only two years after the decision. And then, at some point, Article 15 can still be used – but it should not be expropriated. Don’t you understand this activist: to speak inside the abduction?
Keyburg: I can understand that people are impatientField Each: R Berliner: in, which lives in current capitalist market conditions, suffers. What does not help rent is an accusation of abduction, especially if it is formulated by green and left.
TAZ: Why?
Keyburg: Firstly, because the key document for the legislation on the framework that we have now decided is the same as it is also WITHJung was part of the coalition agreement on greens, left and SPD. Secondly, we flew in the face with a very bold attempt to regulate the housing market with the help of rent. At that time, the rented coating had hopes and enthusiasm for many people, and when Karlsruhe glued the lid, caused disappointment with politics and disappointment.
TAZ: That’s why first you need a bill on the framework?
Keyburg: Exactly. We need reviews of the Constitutional Court, which of the criteria and paragraphs that we write to the law is compatible with the basic law. If we were supposed to be used directly with immediate amendments to the law, Karlsruhe could completely cope with the law – and this would be dangerous at a time when democracy is already under the right.
TAZ: Why should a new lease possible at the state level? Karlsruhe clearly said: Berlin has no legislative competence for this.
Keyburg: There are no laws or precedent law, neither on the state, nor at the federal level. Countries are completely free. However, in fact, you should pay attention to rejecting the rules of the game of maximizing profit, so it is clear that a new form of public economy in housing has really been created. Prices for a certain time will not be enough. We need a combination of measures to clear that we have fundamentally moved away from the economy, focused on profit.
Taz: The initiative also solves this problem. She says that rent cannot fall under Article 15, because the upper limits of prices are not a fundamental departure from the principle of the capitalist business, but as necessary, the term “public economy”. Therefore, the initiative describes his proposal as a “constitutional murder room sensor.”
Keyburg: I think it would be good if we discussed and develop all the proposals that are currently being made constructively. And if I look at the literature under article 15, then the conservative commentator will also say: yes, federal states can intervene if the intervention is so good that it meets the criterion of the community economy. I really think that we have the most opportunities in this area. Try this through article 15 better than limited by CDU Lobbypartei rates at the federal level, but please no longer block the country’s opening point for rental. We must drive two tracks.
TAZ: With this “HDU Lobibipartya” you also ruled in Berlin. Don’t you seriously believe that you can get a new rental cover with CDU?
Keyburg: We are in the place that we will introduce the framework law together with the CDU together at the last plenary session on December 18 this year. I also intend to do this with CDU that he retains here. We will make a decision on this law in the spring. And if the CDU then thinks that there is no need to regulate the lease outside the inadequate federal lease brake, then I turn to this. We will probably make a proposal on the first law on application in SPD – and advertise Berliner: Inside. Then we will see what convinces and what majority will appear in the House of Representatives.
TAZ: All this sounds pretty fighting, but SPD very often blinked to the left in recent years, and then turns right. Do you think it deserves that SPD is now focusing on the rental problem before the election?
Keyburg: Obviously, trust in the SDPD suffered from the protection of tenants, we do not need to speak around him. We could not ensure compliance with our promise at the federal level from FDP and CDU, opening the lease cover. A lot of trust was lost. But without SPD there will be no constellations for more protecting the rent in Berlin or in the federal government. Therefore, we get up and ask: what are we, as state politicians, do: do it inside? And I believe that with article 15 of the “Basic Law”, in order to arouse sleeping giants, so that all their splendor knows about people, is a step in the right direction.
